After my series of articles about my Windows 7 installation experience (Windows 7 Upgrade — the Disappointment, Windows 7 Upgrade — Handling Disappointment, and Windows 7 Upgrade — I Love It!), reader Bev Lammert wrote to tell me about her experience with Windows 7 and Java:
Wow Terry, what determination & intelligence to go through all that to get Windows 7 running properly. I am not so lucky. Thank goodness I put it on my HP Vista laptop.
I did the 7 install yesterday and still can’t play my Pogo games as now the Java is not installed properly for 7. I try to open game room and it says Oops you don’t have right Java. Went to find Java Icon in Control Panel and not there.
Stayed up till 4:30 AM trying to get Java installed which it is now in the Add Remove section but game room still won’t work.
So went to Tools, Options, Advanced and there isn’t any JRE Java listed anywhere. Checked my HP XP laptop and it is listed on it, went to Desktop HP and it is in Options there so for now I am stuck as to how to get the Java to download into the Advanced list.
Any suggestions for me please Terry? I wish I had never done the change for now but hopefully all will work out.
One other question, if you uninstall Windows 7 is Vista still there? Drive D has or did have the image backup of Vista so don’t know if new Windows took it away or not. Just curious.
Thank you Terry and good luck with your projects.
I wrote back to Bev to tell her that Java is a third-party application and does not come as part of Windows any longer. She needs to get it from Sun Microsystem’s Java.com.
Microsoft used to have a license from Sun Microsystems to distribute Java, but they lost it after violating it and abusing it too many times. Sun took them to court and MS lost.
Bev wrote me again to say:
Wow, you are a speed expert Terry!
I have been there and downloaded it Terry but it downloads only to the Add Remove part but not into the Tools, Options, and Advanced. I have even un-installed it and closed browser, restarted computer and checked the Advanced area and nothing listed.
I have it on both the others and it is listed under Microsoft VM as Java Console enabled (requires restart), next check box says Java logging enabled and third check box says JIT compiler for virtual machine enabled (requires restart) and third box is one that is checked for HP Desktop and the XP Pro laptop.
No Microsoft VM listings at all on the HP Vista laptop. After listings for International it goes right to Multimedia listings and Java should be between them two. I will try uninstalling from Add Remove programs again and journey back to Java.com and try again but don’t know why it doesn’t go into the Advanced in Tools.
Thank you Terry very much.
I wrote back to Bev to tell her that she should not it in IE’s Tools, Options, Advanced tab because Microsoft can no longer distribute Java. IF YOU COULD, you’d be using a way-too-old version and you should use the current version from www.java.com. It sounds like her other two computers ("both the others" mentioned above) have old versions that have security flaws. She needs to uninstall Microsoft’s Java VM (virtual machine) from those other two computers and install the lastest Java from www.java.com.
The reason she doesn’t see anything about Microsoft VM in Vista is because Microsoft no longer has the license to distribute Microsoft VM, which was a licensed version of Java, which Microsoft chose to embrace and extend in ways not compatible with non-Windows computers — and it cost them their license. The latest versions of Java are now available from Sun Microsystems via www.java.com.
Bev wrote back one more time:
Thank you Terry for your valuable time to respond to my inquiry. I see what you are trying to get through to me.
If I was to upgrade this desktop Vista to Windows 7 I wouldn’t see the Microsoft VM on it either. Now I understand so my problem isn’t with the Java.
I did a test for my Java on the Pogo.com website in help section and it says it is working after I re-installed Java again. Tried opening game page and it opened up great. I played Mahjong Garden for about 5 minutes and game left saying Internet Explorer has stopped working so reopened and played awhile and same thing.
So guess my search is on as even when I open web site pages and close them it says Internet Explorer has stopped working. Anyway, wanted to update you Terry and thank you for your kindness and time, much appreciated. I will have to take it to Geek Squad and find out the problem. I will let you know what is wrong eventually. Bev